- We're joined now by Ray Lewis. Welcome back, Ray.
RAY LEWIS: Good to see you guys.
- You've talked to Steve. What's going on here?
RAY LEWIS: You know, this ain't the first time. Shannon knows this from the history of what I do in Baltimore, since I was playing. Me, Steve, Ozzie, we have conversations about whoever. And the bottom line, you think about two topics here, the bottom line is can he help us win. That's the bottom line.
And so when you get away from all this other whatever everybody else wants to talk about, like I told Steve, I said Steve, you got to ask-- this is what we're asking ourselves right now. How bad is Joe hurt? How soon does Joe come back? And does Colin Kaepernick help us right now?
Because if he don't help us, then what are we doing? That's like bringing in a third-- a running back, but you've got two running backs already there. Nah. And so I think that's where we started to really-- because we both agree. And I've said this many times, we both agree, like, what he did, I'm 100% for racial justice, 100%.
Trust me, I lived it myself. So you don't have to convince me of that part. How he did it? Totally different thing. I don't totally agree with that. But you talk about bringing him in as the Baltimore Raven, the thing that we talked about the most, when I was on the phone with Ozzie, the thing we talked about the most was what does the corp, what does the temperature of the corp says?
When these young guys, these Humphries, these new guys, that's come in there, this new corp that you're trying to put together, where does that take them? Right? Does this come in and be purely football? Is he purely dialed in on football? Because if he is, then we have to weigh that option. If it's not, then we have to figure something else out.
- And what was your view of how much he could help them win?
RAY LEWIS: And my view realistically is how bad is Joe hurt? Because if Joe-- Skip, if Joe isn't-- if Joe is out one more week, let's say two more weeks, that's preseason. That's preseason. Then really? Then why take that risk? To have them can play a couple of preseason games?
- OK, what if Joe is higher risk going through the year with an iffy back that could go out at any time. Would you rather have Ryan Mallett or Colin Kaepernick as his backup?
RAY LEWIS: I've never played with neither one of them. So, you know what I'm saying. so, and that's what-- I think every time they come to me, they come to me from a different perspective. I'm going to come from the beat of the locker room. I'm just talking about the beat of the locker room. The beat of the locker room is give me the best player that can help us win. That's the beat.
And so going through the whole thing, I think one of the interesting things, because we talked for a while, one of the interesting things when you hear about you're going to please somebody, you're not going to please this person. OK, that's life. You're going to piss some people off, and you're going to make some people happy. OK, whatever.
But at the end of the day, what I'm asking us to do as an organization, is let's make a real decision that what we're going to do, if we're going to do it, do it. But if you're going to do it, make sure we know why we're doing it, and hopefully, it's to win.
- Well, listening to Steve talk, if he doesn't think Colin Kaepernick can help him win, what are we discussing? Why are we even having this conversation?
RAY LEWIS: That's my point, exactly.
- We should have-- he said it. He's not even giving him an opportunity. He said he doesn't believe that Colin Kaepernick can help them win. He said I'm not sure. So what--
RAY LEWIS: And he told me that. He told me that now. And so that's why I want to make sure we're clear hear. There's no oh, if he did this, and why he did-- nah, because we both talked about that. That's fine with us.
- Let me ask you a question. You happened to be there when they brought Dante Stallworth in. He was driving under the influence and killed a pedestrian. Did Steve talk to fans, sponsors, and you?
RAY LEWIS: Yeah, actually.
- So he talked to you on that one.
RAY LEWIS: Yeah.
- OK, when Suggs had his incident with his wife, did Steve Bisciotti talk to fans, sponsors, and you?
RAY LEWIS: He talked to me, for sure.
- OK, so that's three for three. So Dante's situation--
RAY LEWIS: There's no issue since I was playing that has not been discussed with either me, Steve, me, Ozzie, me, John. It's never changed. And that's what I'm saying, I don't want to-- I don't want to give any more merit because it was Colin Kaepernick oh, why did they call-- I'm saying, nah.
I'm not surprised because I know you're one of the few players that's not a quarterback that's held in regard like teams look at John Elway, the way a team looks at a Dan Marino. That's why you have a statue outside the stadium. But see, when I listen to Steve talk, he says I like how he went from sitting to kneeling, but he never mentioned why Colin Kaepernick kneeled.
- Now the very thing that Colin Kaepernick was protesting is the very thing that President Trump encouraged on Friday, which with police brutality. Now John, Steve Bisciotti owned that team. And in 2015, you were there. You and I talked about it. Something happened to Freddie Gray. He lost his life from police brutality. I have yet to hear no one to talk about that. I have yet to hear Steve Bisciotti talk about that.
RAY LEWIS: I know, but-- I know, but-- so let's be very careful with that, for this simple reason. Right now there's over 200 plus murders in Baltimore. How many people you got talking about that? Nobody. So I'm just saying before you put somebody in a pickle to say--
- No, no, I'm not putting him in a pickle, Ray-- let me ask you this. When Pooky shoots Willy, they find Pooky, where Pooky going? He going to jail. When these police shoot these unarmed black men and women, even on camera, where they going, Ray? Back on the force.
RAY LEWIS: Yeah.
- That's what we're talking about. We're talking about the police brutality. See what they're trying to do is that when we talk about police brutality, it's all Chicago, it's all about Detroit, they talk about Baltimore. OK. You want me to come up with a solution that you helped put me in.
RAY LEWIS: I'm 100% understand what you're saying. And what I'm trying to tell you is there's no issue with what you're talking about with police brutality. We're sitting here as men.
RAY LEWIS: So let's understand this. We're sitting here as men, and me and you, as men, ourselves, not watch nobody else deal with police brutality, I've lived it.
- Oh, I know.
RAY LEWIS: So understand that. Just understand the dynamic of what we're talking about. I'm not talking about if this person stood out. It's not too many people. Say it for what it is. It ain't too many people going to stand up to go in the black neighborhoods and worry about black folks killing themselves. That's factual.
So sooner or later than we figure that out, then we're going to start taking care of ourselves. So when I started to-- started to understand these things, what I started to understand was that ain't Steve Bisciotti's fight what happened to Freddie Gray. That ain't no owners fight.
- Yes, it is, though, Ray.
RAY LEWIS: If it is-- if it is--
- This is America.
RAY LEWIS: If it is, then all of our onus should get together and go in these urban neighborhoods and clean it up. Why wouldn't you?
- Because, Ray, they don't care, because it's an issue they're never going to have to face. It's people like you and I that's been there and know people that's faced these issues. You're talking about Steve Bisciotti is never going to have to worry about the police beating him or a family member down. Jerry Jones, Mr. Crab, they never going to have to worry about that.
RAY LEWIS: That's what I just said.
- So why should they care? They should care because it's the United States of America. You care about what's going on in Ukraine. You care about what's going on in Venezuela.
RAY LEWIS: How many times before any of these things came up, before you was playing, after you playing, how many times it happened?
- But they're pretending like it ain't.
RAY LEWIS: No, just exist answer how many times did it happen?
- It was going on a lot, but the advent of social media--
RAY LEWIS: We keep--
- I don't want to go back and forth, you go ahead.
- Time out. So let's go back to can he help the Baltimore Ravens win? Just forget about all the political--
- It's as simple as that.
- And what I saw from that video of Steve Bisciotti talking to a fan forum at your stadium, with the commissioner up on stage sitting on a stool, right down from him, listening to all this, I saw a show that I did not like, that left a bad taste in my mouth. Because it came across like it was all for show, that he merely wanted to deliver a message to his sponsors and his fans, and ultimately to us here, that we're thinking about it.
We're scrimmaging this-- that's the term we use that Ozzie and him are going back and forth about. We're thinking hard about this. And I didn't like it, but then I liked this. Then he makes a joke about being Catholic, we kneel as Catholics. And it came across to me as more lip service, to the point that he even volunteered we're also going to bring in Robert Griffin, III, for a workout. You are? Why?
Because if we're talking about who can help you win the most, and I'm the biggest RG3 fan on the planet, or at least used to be, Colin Kaepernick was miles ahead in performance last year of Robert Griffin, III, who was a shell of himself in the five games he played for the Cleveland Browns. Kaepernick was pretty good last year, 16 touchdowns to four interceptions.
And his QBR, my favorite stat, was significantly better than Robert's, because I'm not sure Robert, he's just barely hanging onto to any job that he could get in this league. But clearly, Colin Kaepernick on his resume, on what he did in his first two years of starting with Jim Harbaugh, who then got pushed out the back door, and sort of left Colin just twisting in the wind in San Francisco with a bad football team, clearly he's a much better bet right now than RG3.
But it comes across like, for show, that Steve Bisciotti giving us, well we're going to bring in another African-American quarterback with sort of the same skill set as Colin, so is that OK with everybody? Because we're going to give him a try out. It's like you're trying to convince everybody that we tried, but we couldn't get there. And it's the same thing Pete Carroll did in Seattle. They made that so public.
Boy we're trying. We brought him in. They didn't work him out. But they talked and talked. What are your priorities? You know, what's important to you right now? That's what Pete Carroll said. And his locker room, boy that Seattle locker room, they were on fire for Colin Kaepernick. That's the best fit in the world for Colin right now, is the Seattle locker room. Although I could make a case that the second best bet for Colin right now would be your locker room with the Ravens. Right?
RAY LEWIS: Yes.
- Just because of Ozzie, and the senior leadership.
- What you left in the locker room, and the demographics of Baltimore.
- Dynamics that you built and left the legacy of Ray Lewis in that locker room. So that's the second best. But all I heard from the owner was lip service.