JASON WHITLOCK: All right Cowherd, did Roberts over managing cost the Dodgers.
COLIN COWHERD: No, crazy happened. That's what happened. We crush all these managers. So record heat. Games starting earlier, air is thinner. Astros hit homers in the ninth 10th and 11th. Never happened in a playoff game. The bullpen had been perfect, suddenly flawed. I mean, look at the stuff that happened last night. I say this all the time
JASON WHITLOCK: Are you forgetting Rich Hill seven strikeouts on just OK
COLIN COWHERD: But again,
JASON WHITLOCK: That happened too
COLIN COWHERD: We all know that outside of Clayton Kershaw, here's what we know. OK there was Clayton Kershaw, he's the exception. The rest of the Dodgers, it's all about getting to the pen. He got to the pen. They had a 3-1 lead, then a 3-2 lead. It was exactly what you wanted, and then all of a sudden crazy happens.
JASON WHITLOCK: Listen I don't blame Dave Roberts. I think if you're going to blame anybody, blame the organization. This is their philosophy. You don't see a guy a third time. So I blame the organ-- But if you're paying Rich Hill 48 million dollars.
- He's making some cheese.
JASON WHITLOCK: 60 pitches. Seven strikeouts. At least let him face one batter in the fifth. Let him earn his money, and see what's going on. And so again, I think you can blame the organization for not having any flexibility, and understanding that look, regular season rules might not be the same as in the postseason. That point I think postseason is a little different.
- Well I'm going to blame Dave Roberts because that was his decision. Forget that's what the organization, but in that moment that was his decision. And Hill was fine. So I know I heard what he just said about getting to the bullpen. Yes that is what they do. We all understand that. But you didn't do it the night before. And Kershaw has had-- he's had some issues after the sixth inning. You didn't do that. I think you tried him back out there and you keep going because everything the way it played out, and all the crazy you're talking about Colin. All that crazy happened after he pulled Rich Hill. I think you let him stay out there a little bit longer and you don't go into your bullpen as much.
- I mean, obviously being the Monday morning quarterback, it's easy to look back and say something like that, but this was their game plan going into the game. 25 innings scoreless streak for the Dodgers bullpen. There has been such a big push to get those guys in the game because they have done nothing but throw up zeros the entire postseason. Now looking back, Rich Hill, I've known him since college. Any time Rich Hill goes into the dugout and is visibly upset to be out of that game, that says something to me. I also think Dave Roberts, he knows his guys. They've have had such a tremendous season. But hey man, sometimes like you said craziness happens. Like Roberts said, hey, they had three innings of no run baseball right after Rich Hill came out of the game. So if you want to blame somebody, maybe blame the back end of the bullpen. Kenley Jansen.
JASON WHITLOCK: Or the rules that make him play nine innings. There were the two extra innings.
COLIN COWHERD: He managed the game for nine, it became 11.
- Of course that's what I'm saying.
COLIN COWHERD: To your point though, the downside to analytics, players are reduced to numbers. Now players will swallow it hard, and go I love it when you're winning. But that's the downside to playing through a binder that when you lose, it's like it doesn't make sense. And to your point, the rigidity with analytics is basketball, shoot threes. NFL, no huddles. This is my knock on analytics. You reduce players to a notebook. They're humans.
JASON WHITLOCK: And again this is why I say the organization. They had Don Mattingly as their manager, ran him out so they could get a manager that they can control, and bully. And again, maybe I'm making the excuses for Dave Roberts, but I think he just stuck to the script that they handed him him. We gave you this job to do what we want you to do from up here in the press box, or the sky box. And he followed that script, and it cost them last night.
- And it didn't work, which makes him wrong because he has to make that decision on the field at that moment. He has to make that decision. You can't go to the binder, and blame it on the binder.
- I'll tell you one thing that really-- like we're talking about all this pitching. The one thing really kind of stands out to me is not only taken Rich Hill out of the game early, but asking your closers to go out and do things night after night that they're not used to doing. Closers are used to coming in to clean innings, three outs, game over. They bus at 11. That's not really the case here in the postseason. Closers are having to come in either the late seventh inning, early eighth inning, try and get five six seven outs. Closers aren't used to doing that. So I feel like that you're putting guys in situations that they're not used to being in.
- I'm winning you over see.
COLIN COWHERD: Slowly. But let's also put this in some context. If Yasiel Puig makes a catch, of which he came like that far from, we wouldn't have this topic on the show. I mean, it was setting up to be your classic Dodger take a lead, closer done.
JASON WHITLOCK: My last point on this is- because I believe the Kansas City Royals kind of made this in vogue about the whole. But I get why Kansas City because they're not paying the kind of money the Dodgers. They don't have that kind of roster so I understand the system. The Dodgers have paid for the best talent in baseball. And if you've paid Rich Hill 48 million dollars, let him earn it.
- Well you paid Jacoby Ellsbury 150 in New York, and saw him on the bench. So it's almost like you're trying to go in the playoffs who's hot? Because there's not a lot of chances to miss out on.
COLIN COWHERD: By the way you notice who we're firing in baseball? All the managers who got to the playoffs.